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USA SailGP Team Training - Whangerai, New Zealand

The Big Interview: United States SailGP Skipper Rome Kirby

USA SailGP Team Training – Whangerai, New Zealand

American sailor Rome Kirby has is well known in the professional yacht racing world as an America’s Cup winner, a Volvo Ocean Race competitor and a regular on a number of top-flight grand prix race boat campaigns.

Now though he has been elevated into a leadership position as he takes on the skipper and CEO role with the United States SailGP team for the brand-new international circuit’s inaugural season next year.

I caught up with Kirby shortly after he and his newly-recruited crew returned from New Zealand where they had experienced for the first time what it is like to sail their new F50 high-performance foiling catamaran.

We know you as a Volvo Ocean Race sailor, an America’s Cup sailor, and a regular on grand prix race boats – now here you are as skipper and CEO of a team in the brand new SailGP circuit. How did all this come about?

 ROME KIRBY: Well there were definitely whispers of this whole thing for quite a while, but I don’t think anyone in the sailing world was 100 per cent sure it was going to happen. But the opportunity came about last April with a phone call from Russell Coutts.

I was at the Moth World Championships. He just asked if I’d be interested. After listening to him for about 10 minutes and listening to the vision and what they want to do with the circuit, it was a no-brainer for me.

 Your reputation as a top-flight crew member is second to none, but for this campaign, you’re going to be the skipper – the one leading the whole crew and the campaign. Is that a daunting prospect? Does that hold any fears or worries for you?

 RK: Like anything, you want to be successful and you want to win. We definitely want to put together a sustainable team and campaign. There’s definitely fears – well I wouldn’t say fear, but there’s definitely stuff you’re worried about. But at the end of the day, we’re competitors and I’m looking forward to the challenge.

 How much control have you had to be able to pick your own team through this whole thing – or is this something that’s been handed down to you?

 RK: No, for the most part I’ve been able to pick the entire team, which has been great. Obviously, within the US we don’t have a ton of F50 experience. But we’ve got a bunch of really talented sailors and now we just have to bridge the gap in terms of experience and learn on the fly – that’s going to be our biggest challenge.

Season one is going to be about getting up to speed and making sure we’re competitive with the other teams.

 Give us the rundown of your sailing team line up?

 RK: OK let’s start with Riley Gibbs. He’s an Olympic Nacra sailor – a really young and talented sailor.

Then there’s Hans Henken – he’s another Olympic sailor sailing the 49er. He’s really, really smart. He went to Stanford and got a degree in aerospace engineering. So he brings something a little different to the team, which is pretty good. Plus he’s fun to have around.

Mac Agnese is a great young sailor campaigning in the 49er as well.

Then there’s Dan Morris who has a great sailing track record in the last few years with Congressional Cup wins and Marström 32 campaigns and he’s doing the GC32 stuff with Red Bull.

 Where do you rank yourself in the pecking order among the six teams announced for the first SailGP season?

 We have a pretty good set of sailors but the F50s are unlike any of the boats they’ve sailed so we’ve got a pretty big mountain to climb to get to the level where the Australian team or the Japanese team is at. Those guys have had tons and tons of time sailing with each other in these boats.

It’s hard to knows who will be the top teams but I would say those guys and the British are probably up there as the ones probably going to be the most competitive. But we’ll see what happens. We have a big mountain to climb but I have no doubt we’ll be able to mix it up though.

 How is your team structured? Tell us who else is involved?

 Each team is set up differently and has a different approach. For the most part our team is relatively straightforward. We have got a pretty small group. We’ve kept it pretty small but all of us have worked together before on other campaigns.

Jeff Causey is running the shore team. He was with us at Oracle [Oracle Team USA] for the last two America’s Cup campaigns. Under Jeff there’s five people on the shore side.

We have Louise Matthews – who was with Oracle as well – doing all the logistics and essentially keeping us in line.

Then we have Tom Burnham as our coach. Tom was with Artemis for the last America’s Cup.

So you can see that the majority of us were with Oracle, but we all know each other pretty well, so the team has been able to kind of hit the ground running, which has been nice.

 Are you all now full time on this campaign? What have you been focusing on?

 Yes it’s been pretty full time. Our team’s been together since July so we have been up and running before other teams. That’s been nice because it’s given us time to get to know each other and get familiar with the whole group.

We wanted to try guys out by getting them out sailing straight away so we decided to do a training session in Newport in August one of the Foiling 45s – that way we all could at least sail with each other prior to going to New Zealand and sea trialling an F50.

 Is there a physical team location or are you guys operating out of hotel rooms at the moment?

We’re all over the place. It’s tough to have a base somewhere, especially when the boats were launched in New Zealand and the first event is in Sydney and then the next one is in San Francisco.

So yes we are spread all over the place. It’s a lot of phone calls and emails, but we’re making it work.

A lot of that work must fall on you as the skipper – to coordinate, to just keep beating the drum?

Yeah, I feel like I’ve got the phone glued to my ear 24/7 now. I went from just being one of the boys, showing up and going sailing, which was pretty nice at the time, but now you’ve got to orchestrate everything. But, it’s an awesome challenge. I’m really enjoying it, so I can’t complain.

 Has this experience given you any new-found admiration perhaps for some of the skippers who you worked for before?

 Yes, for sure! Jimmy Spithill had some good words of wisdom for me. He’s been passing along some good info and that’s been much appreciated.

 As a crew you guys worked on the F50 simulator before you went down to New Zealand. How was that experience?

 We went over to London to use the simulator a few weeks before we went down to New Zealand. I didn’t have too many expectations going into it but when we got there I was pleasantly surprised with what Artemis Technologies has done and the level that the simulator is at.

The amount we got out of it in the three days we were on it was pretty impressive. What you can achieve in three days is probably equivalent to doing a week and a half on the water.

Before you got a chance to go sailing on the new F50 catamarans you spent some time training on the Artemis Technologies simulator. For those of us who haven’t seen it, can you describe what the F50 simulator looks like, what it’s like to use, and what you can learn from it?

It looks pretty similar to an airplane simulator. There’s an F50 hull up on a platform and there are big hydraulic rams that control the simulator platform. Then you have got big projectors and a massive screen – I don’t know how big the screen is but it’s not far off a full 360.

The lights go out and you jump in and you go sailing. You’ve got the same controls as the F50 and it’s a pretty similar feel. There are some differences to how it feels – how your senses respond – but it’s a pretty good tool to use.

What sort of things did you focus on?

It was hard to do race manoeuvre’s, but what we focused on was just getting comfortable with the controls and straight-line sailing and the doing bear ways and getting used to doing them and straight line reaching with full [rudder] differential in.

Soon after that you headed off down to New Zealand to sail the new boats for the first time. As someone who’s got experience on the old AC50s, how different are these F50s to those boats that we saw in Bermuda?

They’re a fair bit different. The boats are definitely different to sail in that they are not as physically demanding and as hard to sail as what we had in Bermuda. The hydraulics are not manual anymore – in Bermuda everything we did on the boat was manual, which was tough.

With the new foils the F50s are definitely from a stability standpoint a bit harder to deal with. We have pretty good control systems though to deal with that.

From a straight-line speed point of view these boats are unreal. I think you’ll definitely see 50 knots pretty soon out of these boats. Our team did 44 as our top speed. I think the Australian team just did 49 so I’m pretty confident we’ll see 50.

Where is this additional speed coming from? Is it the active rudder control that enables you to push harder?

No not really. We have new foils in the boats and because we’re not restricted by the America’s Cup rule these boards have a bit more righting moment.

Having faster foils means they are a little more unstable. We’re also pushing more differential. We’re only allowed three degrees in Bermuda, and now we’ve got seven.

Talk a little bit about what you mean by “differential”.

Differential is basically the difference between [the angle of] your active rudder and your weather rudder. If you have four degrees of lift on your active rudder, you can have minus three on your weather rudder – so it’s just creating down force.

Which translates into more power – which means more speed?

Yes – but it could also turn into massive crashes. If you pop that weather rudder out at 50 knots with full differential in it would be like some big guys off the back corner of the rail just basically jumping off the side of the boat. All of a sudden you lose a ton of righting moment and the boat goes into a massive high fly and yeah, it could be disaster.

Is that the biggest fear when you’re driving these boats – or are there other potential situations for disaster?

[Laughs] There’s potential for disaster everywhere on these things. I think a lot of us are pretty comfortable sailing with one other boat on the racetrack. I don’t think we know what it’s going to be like sailing with six, especially at these speeds.

In the [previous] World Series they were smaller boats and not even as close to as fast. So I think that’s going to pose some pretty interesting challenges having six boats foiling around at 35 to 50 knots. It’s going to be pretty full on.

Is this something that you can feed back into the organization? Is there a dialogue between the teams and the organisers to voice those concerns?

It’s definitely a pretty open line of communication between the teams and SailGP. I think everyone’s learning as we go, and the biggest thing is we want to be safe and we want to be smart. You obviously want to put on a good show, but I think safety is the big consideration.

From the safety to the boat development, I think everyone’s on the same page. We obviously want the event to be a success, and we want this [circuit] to continue on, so I think everyone’s pretty open and sharing ideas and concepts and all sorts of stuff.

As a skipper, what sort of goal are you setting yourself for your team in this coming season?

Obviously, we want to do well, but I think the biggest goal is learning and developing at each event and getting better. I think we’ve got a massive opportunity as a group that’s one, never sailed together, and two never sailed these boats before. If we can learn from ourselves, and from some of the teams that have sailed a lot with each other – and also sailed in these boats a lot – I think I’d be pretty happy with that.

Having done the America’s Cup and having now sailed these boats a little bit, what do you think is going to be the key to success? What are the good teams going to be able to do that the weaker teams can’t?

I think there’s going to be a premium on boat handling, for sure. I think you’ll be able to get yourself out of trouble if you can boat handle, and I think, just in general, keeping it simple and keeping it clean around the track is going to be a huge factor.

These boats are not easy boats to sail and if you try and over-complicate things, it just makes it impossible and it’s going to bite you. So yes, there’s a premium on boat handling and keeping it simple.

What’s the program now for you guys. You’ve got one month left in this year and then a couple of months of next year, and you’re into the first event. What’s the schedule for your team?

Right now, the guys are packing up our boat in New Zealand. That gets shipped over to Australia. I think some of us on the sailing team are going to try to get down to sail Moths together in Miami in the next few weeks, once some of my guys are done with their Olympic stuff.

I think we’re going to try to get together once before Christmas and then we’re pretty much into it mid-January when we head back down to prepare for the first event in Australia.

USA SailGP Team Training – Whangerai, New Zealand

This interview first appeared on the website Yacht Racing Life: yachtracing.life

 

By Justin Chisholm – International Sailing Writer